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[forums]Re: setlist schematics -Grateful Dead & others
Posted by light into ashes on Jul 1, 2014 7:28pm into GratefulDead
I can't make head or tail of those, but they certainly look cool....

[forums]Meet-Up At The Movies: 4/21/72
Posted by light into ashes on Jun 9, 2014 1:48pm into GratefulDead
Dead.net has posted the info about this year's event - Thursday, July 17 at 7:30 - a listing of the theaters is here: http://www.fathomevents.com/event/grateful-dead-meet-up-at-the-movies-2014 The film is supposed to be over 80 minutes, so it'll be more complete than the E72 CD. (Maybe it'll have the soundcheck, or more banter.) Sad news: "We have no plans to release this concert on DVD or home video of any kind, so don't miss out on what could be your only chance to see it!"...

[forums]Re: mysterious 68 gig
Posted by light into ashes on May 28, 2014 2:29pm into GratefulDead
I would guess that's from earlier in the spring, like April/May. As a free park show, there might not be any record of the date. (However, the Dead did play a free show in the Panhandle on Sunday, June 1.)...

[forums]Re: God-like Phil Solos ab't 4 min into New Potato Caboose
Posted by light into ashes on May 28, 2014 12:01am into GratefulDead
1) The earliest version with the Phil solo is in an unlabeled show from May or June '68. 2) No, there isn't. There's a link to a history of NPC deep in the thread WT linked - you'll want to check out the other versions from late '68/early '69....

[forums]Re: What's in-between
Posted by light into ashes on May 20, 2014 8:00pm into GratefulDead
Nice picks for the show. I look forward to the next - the membership drive really cut into the playing time on this one!...

[forums]Re: Non-Billy show(s)
Posted by light into ashes on May 15, 2014 8:09pm into GratefulDead
True; it would just be one drummer up there til the electric set. Not many video examples of 1970 acoustic Dead, I'm afraid; but this was a set where it was just Bill drumming: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVWOqFQ6AS0 ...

[forums]Re: What's in-between
Posted by light into ashes on May 15, 2014 8:08pm into GratefulDead
You should share the paper here when it's presented!...

[forums]Re: Non-Billy show(s)
Posted by light into ashes on May 15, 2014 4:35pm into GratefulDead
Actually I think most (maybe all) of the 1970 acoustic sets have just one drummer. Through the year, Bill & Mickey would alternate drumming for the acoustic sets, seemingly at random. For instance, Mickey was the acoustic drummer on 4/10, 4/18, 5/15, 7/14/70 & possibly one of the July '70 Fillmore East dates - and Bill on 6/5, 7/4, 8/17 & 8/19/70...other dates have yet to be investigated....

[forums]Re: the nudie suits
Posted by light into ashes on May 14, 2014 7:04pm into GratefulDead
That might cover all the times they wore the suits... I thought I read somewhere that Garcia wasn't very comfortable wearing it - couldn't find that, but here's part of a Bob & Frankie Weir interview with Crawdaddy, August 1972. Weir was saying how a real country audience wouldn't accept the Dead as a country band... Bob: I could go down and get a Nudie suit and they still wouldn't believe it. Garcia has one......

[forums]Re: Dave's Thema pick
Posted by light into ashes on May 7, 2014 3:46pm into GratefulDead
Slow...rough...slovenly... All true, and frequently typical of fall '69 shows. I think the Caution jam is really transcendent, though....

[forums]Re: Dave's Thelma pick
Posted by light into ashes on May 7, 2014 3:17pm into GratefulDead
The Alligator>Caution jam has long been famous, and is basically the reason for release. It really stands out above the rest of the show. The end of UJB is also nice, and it's cute when the Dead ask for requests after that and tease Dark Star. A lot of listeners on dead.net love the loose, small-theater atmosphere; though it's not very intense, and often pretty sloppy. The 12/11 bonus cuts are standard performances for the time (well, this is relatively speaking, from the days when a Dark Star>......

[forums]Re: New Yorker review of Weir movie
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 29, 2014 4:06pm into GratefulDead
Though he doesn't say anything about the movie, it's nice to read a reviewer who's so familiar with the band - and even saw them in '69! (Though he fell asleep... Cool show description, nonetheless.) Another neat recent Weir interview: http://www.vanityfair.com/vf-hollywood/bob-weir-grateful-dead ...

[forums]Re: Early 1971, post Mickey, pre Keith .
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 29, 2014 4:00pm into GratefulDead
Weir also said that with two drummers it was more cumbersome to turn a corner, and with one drummer they could be more open and loose. And he said more recently: "One time after a particularly difficult gig, Jerry told those guys it was like playing with a popcorn machine. Because they got busy and were going in different directions and stuff, and there wasn’t much rhyme or reason to it."...

[forums]Re: Early 1971, post Mickey, pre Keith .
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 29, 2014 3:58pm into GratefulDead
One clueless interviewer asked Mickey what he thought about the Veneta '72 show... He replied, "I don't remember it."...

[forums]Re: Early 1971, post Mickey, pre Keith .
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 28, 2014 7:56pm into GratefulDead
"It may be heresy here, but I think the band was better and tighter sans Mickey, less slop in the rhythm section." I thought that was the common opinion around here? Lots of folks feel the same way about the solo-drummer years. Although I'm not a fan of Bill's long '71 drum solos......

[forums]Re: Early 1971, post Mickey, pre Keith .
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 28, 2014 9:19am into GratefulDead
Their playing gets better from February to August....some of the Capitol run is dismal, as they adjust to Mickey's departure, but I think each month after that the shows get stronger & tighter. While this isn't known as a period of expansive jamming, there are a couple notable exceptions - they really stretched out the Good Lovin' jams, creating a more interesting interplay with Pigpen than they did in Lovelight; and the Other One was also made a lot spacier than it had been in 1970......

[forums]Re: Fillmore East 2/1169 Pocket edition Dead
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 15, 2014 9:26am into GratefulDead
I think the general opinion when the Dead opened for the Jeff Beck Group at the Fillmore East in June '68 was that Beck's band blew the Dead away. Though I hope some in the audience felt differently! At any rate Beck's music (or for that matter Janis's) would have been easier to follow than long Cautions, unknown instrumentals, feedback, etc. The Fillmore audience in Feb '69 would have recognized almost everything in the early show (it's not like King Bee or Lovelight were obscure songs), so th......

[forums]Re: Fillmore East 2/1169 Pocket edition Dead
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 14, 2014 8:26pm into GratefulDead
As openers, the Dead were restricted to about an hour a show....though they still had time to fit in encores (Cosmic Charlie & the mercifully short-lived Hey Jude). There are a lot of sets in the '68-70 time range when you can tell they're rushing to squeeze things in, and sometimes the shows benefit from the extra energy. Phil later said he missed being an opener & surprising people who didn't know about them. There's a nice moment when Weir is about to tell the story of George Washington's tee......

[forums]Re: Good Lovin' (but not for tapers), 70-71
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 12, 2014 9:56pm into GratefulDead
It's a classic moment. Yes, they would have assumed tapers were bootleggers; Dead tape trading basically didn't exist at that point. It wasn't until around '73 that tape-trading became more widely known among Dead fans; til the mid-'70s most people had to get Dead shows via bootleg records or radio broadcasts. When Relix magazine started in '74/75 it became a lot easier to find tape traders. Of course, you could also point to Weir's 8/6/71 comment to the tapers to move back for better sound; or......

[forums]Re: Dave's Pick 10: 12/12/1969
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 11, 2014 9:36am into GratefulDead
I don't know. I hope not; it's better to have another unknown Dark Star (and completely unknown show) to look forward to. I guess playing-wise this show is about on the same level as 11/8 and 12/20/69. This was an uneven period for the Dead, with generally very laid-back playing. (In the last week of December they start getting noticeably more energetic.) But the 11/8/69 second set, and the Alligator>Caution here, are two of my favorite sets from late '69....

[forums]Re: Dave's Pick 10: 12/12/1969
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 10, 2014 9:53pm into GratefulDead
I'm surprised we didn't get any new & unheard material after all. Lemieux seems to be putting off his real "standout" '69 discovery for another day. Oh well, at least this will be an upgrade. As far as missing reels, I keep hoping the rest of 2/12/69 will come out someday... That would be a treat....

[forums]Re: Next Dave's Picks?
Posted by light into ashes on Apr 4, 2014 8:17pm into GratefulDead
Strange thing is, Lemieux was talking about how one of the rediscovered '69 shows had some great Dark Star he was anxious to release...in fact, he all but promised it for a 2014 release in the DP6 liner notes. This show, of course, has neither a Dark Star nor any missing reels that we know of...unless our tapes were misdated? 12/11/69 does have the songs in the setlist that Lemieux mentioned - Dark Star, Dew, Eleven, Other One - although it doesn't seem to be incomplete either......

[forums]Re: Old news, old rant (100 Year Hall vs E72 ) , where's Keith ?
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 30, 2014 3:18am into GratefulDead
Well heck, my essays are public proof of obsessive neurosis. Sanity was abandoned long ago. And besides, overloading on downloads you'll never get around to is the normal lifestyle these days!...

[forums]Re: Cover of the Rolling Stone, 11/22/73
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 29, 2014 9:17pm into GratefulDead
Charles Perry, "A New Life for the Dead" - it's in Rolling Stone's Garcia tribute book. Excellent article....

[forums]Re: Old news, old rant (100 Year Hall vs E72 ) , where's Keith ?
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 29, 2014 10:52am into GratefulDead
Yikes, that's a list I would not be eager to tackle. I remember that LL thread long ago, but don't remember that there was actually a lot of useful info in there - I think pretty much everything of note would've been included in the E72 overdubs post. At any rate, I'm sure a list could be compiled of all the mix differences & little bits missing from the box set. That I found several missing vocals in just a short random check of a few songs/shows was distressing enough! But I would never hav......

[forums]Re: Old news, old rant (100 Year Hall vs E72 ) , where's Keith ?
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 28, 2014 10:37am into GratefulDead
It is bizarre & unfortunate. (Yet on other E72 box-set shows, Keith wasn't pushed back so much.) There are a couple other mix oddities in this show, too. One listener wrote, "On Hundred Year Hall, in "Me & My Uncle" Weir throws in a cool little ad lib ("guess you know about it") between "high low jack and the winner take the hand" and Garcia's solo. In the box set, they have mixed out this adlib from Weir." Also, "On Hundred Year Hall, you can clearly hear Weir count in "One More Saturday Nig......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 25, 2014 10:42pm into GratefulDead
Thanks for the recommendation. The location of the jam isn't crucial (it's just a general pattern that these unique jams come at the end)...however I have a hard time hearing a distinct theme in the part you pointed out, it initially seems like more of a loose groove. There are other sections of this Dark Star that seem to my ears closer to being separate jams: the part from about 4:20-5:10, the part from 10:00 to 12:50 (goes through a couple cycles), and perhaps 17:00-18:15......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 21, 2014 11:59pm into GratefulDead
Good question, and there's no clear answer. I think Ned had to persuade Phil into doing the sets with him, and Phil enjoyed the 'confrontational' aspect of challenging the audience, and the other bandmembers had no objections. Weir, however, later said that the band was losing audiences in '74 because of their "esoteric, inbred" jams no one could follow; and he was happy they tightened up the ship after that......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by c-freedom on Mar 21, 2014 9:04pm into GratefulDead
Hey Light into Ashes; If they were concerned about losing audience why did they let NED loose? The atonal stuff even with Phil and occasionally the rest of the band is some mighty rough going at times. I prided myself on dancing thru almost every drumz and space I saw in the 80's but I am not sure how I would have handled Seastones. Interesting take on the inner working of the Dead's music. It may have been a party for so many of us but it was also a mighty cherished and finely crafted MOTHER S......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 21, 2014 7:34pm into GratefulDead
This kind of thing didn't happen in the 1972 PITBs. I think it wasn't til '74 (or late '73) that different types of jams started showing up in PITB, so that the improv would pass through varying 'movements' before the reprise. I don't think the 11/26/72 Dark Star qualifies, I didn't hear anything in there that was really a unique separate jam - though the Feelin' Groovy is certainly sweet. However, the very end is worth noting since Garcia starts playing this happy run that sounds like he was......

[forums]Re: 1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 21, 2014 11:48am into GratefulDead
Yeah, I didn't want to get into little brief jam fragments that didn't get developed. But the 12/10/72 Other One is interesting because, when they're coming out of space, they play what is clearly a proto-Eyes jam, with Weir & Garcia both playing jazzy rhythm chords like in the early Eyes. No plans to expand this catalog outside '72 for now. ...

[forums]Re: Box back nitties, great big noble thighs, and boar-hog eyes
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 21, 2014 11:29am into GratefulDead
Great pictures! I always liked the interpretation of "nitties" as "long flannel underwear with the flap in the back," but it seems there's not much historical evidence for that word, at least I didn't see any. I love the direct connection to '20s flapper culture here....

[forums]Box back nitties, great big noble thighs, and boar-hog eyes
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 20, 2014 10:50pm into GratefulDead
Those of you who were curious about where Pigpen got these phrases in Lovelight from.....the scholars have come to your rescue: http://mypages.iit.edu/~ahrens/boxbackmiddy.htm He apparently got that verse straight from Lightnin' Hopkins, a variation on old blues songs from the '20s....

[forums]1972 Melodic Jams
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 20, 2014 10:10pm into GratefulDead
One unusual trait of the Dead’s long jams in 1972 was that they would sometimes end Other Ones or Dark Stars with unique melodic sequences. Out of spacy or abstract passages, chord patterns would emerge that sounded rehearsed or familiar, but you couldn’t quite place where you’d heard them before, and generally they were never played again. Of course this kind of jam happened in other years as well – I might just mention the 2/18/71 “Beautiful Jam” or the end-of-Dark-Star jam on 2/2......

[forums]Re: Betty Board question
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 13, 2014 12:09pm into GratefulDead
Kidd Candelario took over taping Dead shows in fall '73, I think, and did it for the next year. Betty was also pregnant in 1974. "Someone seemed to think that meant I didn't want to work, or I'd lost my mind; maybe just dysfunctional... They thought I didn't want to do [Winterland Oct '74] because I had just had my kid, even though I had been recording the Garcia Band gigs all along - my son Cole was three days old when he did his first Garcia Band gig." Of course we don't know all the shows s......

[forums]Re: Betty, we hardly heard ye
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 12, 2014 1:56pm into GratefulDead
I agree that what we don't know is what behavior on her part led to this ostracism. Though she said people were acting "weird" and "paranoid" & didn't want her around because she was Brent's ex, there might've been other reasons she didn't want to share. Remember, she'd quit in '83/84, a couple years before her house troubles, probably not on good terms with the band anymore - she felt they'd ripped her off, & they didn't trust her......

[forums]Re: Betty, we hardly heard ye
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 11, 2014 12:51pm into GratefulDead
According to Kidd Candelario, part of the Dead crew: "That could have been purchased for a minor amount of money and it was never done... The organization knew ahead of time that Betty was in trouble and that these tapes were there. The feeling about two-track tapes at that point was that they were unimportant, that they had no value... It was an employee who really wasn't an employee anymore who was kind of down on her luck and couldn't pay for her storage anymore......

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 8, 2014 12:36am into GratefulDead
Thanks. I did leave a lot out of this post, intentionally. One reason was, I wanted to keep it short & relatively focused. I didn't want it to center on Garcia's addiction, or the later years, or bad behavior by the band. And I didn't want to keep piling up negative stories, though there are plenty. My goal was just to present the problems three different Dead insiders had with the band/scene in the early '70s; though the '90s outcome turned out to be a necessary epilogue......

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 4, 2014 11:33am into GratefulDead
My issue with Scully's book was also that Dalton obviously had a large hand in it, and I think it would have been more accurate if Scully had done more of it himself. As it is it can barely be trusted as a source, since it reads like it's semi-fictionalized, with all the dialogue, etc. From reading interviews, it's clear Scully has a specific memory for things and could have written a different kind of book......

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 4, 2014 12:52am into GratefulDead
Yes, '96; if you check the deadessays site it has sources for all the quotes. Hunter's vague on the exact period, and I think his paranoia made him a bit inaccurate too, feeling like every time Garcia dropped a song it was some personal spite to Hunter. Well, you know how some writers can be! Alas, Hunter's made clear he does not ever want to write a memoir & rake over the past. Of course, that was years ago, so maybe he'll change his mind someday........

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 3, 2014 1:06pm into GratefulDead
After that passage in Phil's book, he kicks himself with guilt over it: "I should have immediately called on our management to create a six-month break from touring... I too was burned out from years of nonstop touring. But I still couldn't pull the emergency cord and bring the train to a halt, knowing that even a six-month break would mean the layoff of most of our longtime employees, who depended on the band for their livelihood........

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 3, 2014 11:49am into GratefulDead
Garcia would have called this post a "bum trip!" A lot of their ideals ended up backfiring on them since they just didn't work out in real life....or perhaps you could say that they worked best where they originated, in a small self-contained scene, and didn't translate to the larger settings the Dead moved into. I agree, the Dead weren't dropping Hunter's tunes just to lessen his role - it was much more a matter of just Garcia's laziness......

[forums]Re: The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 3, 2014 11:38am into GratefulDead
Hunter was a bit upset that they didn't do his bigger song suites - like, Garcia only did a fraction of Terrapin - but that was perhaps the smallest of his contentions with the Dead; he was aware that Garcia would just pick out a few things he thought were most suitable, and leave the rest, and I think he became resigned to that over the years. What upset him more was that Garcia stopped working with him hardly at all, except occasionally when Garcia felt forced to produce a song......

[forums]The Brotherhood vs. the Dead Machine
Posted by light into ashes on Mar 2, 2014 7:47pm into GratefulDead
Musically, the early seventies are remembered as some of the Dead’s finest years. But some of those inside the scene had a very different perspective on what was happening with the band. Robert Hunter recalled the Europe ’72 tour: “What I most remember about '72 was the tragedy of it. Looking back over empty years that should have brimmed with joyful greatness, I realize more and more fully how tragic it was........

[forums]Re: TDIH
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 26, 2014 5:56pm into GratefulDead
I don't remember hearing that little riff in another show, but it does kind of resemble the off-the-cuff jams that popped up in late '76 sometimes - only this one doesn't grow into anything....

[forums]Re: 10/12/68 curiosity...
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 24, 2014 1:06pm into GratefulDead
I think it's extremely iffy that it's Pigpen saying "I was!" I couldn't tell who it was. Why couldn't it be, say, Hart? I also think it was just a joke about going into Alligator. (In fact, they didn't do that transition "next time" either! Or ever?) On the other hand - according to deadlists, during the Drums segment the next night on 10/13/68, someone shouts "Alligator" - the drummers do the Indian chant at the end of drums, and the band goes into a (very shortened) Alligator jam......

[forums]Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 19, 2014 9:44am into GratefulDead
Pigpen was the most well-known, at that point, from Dead t-shirts and posters. (Plus he was the most distinctive-looking, plus had the biggest stage presence.) Garcia had the "Captain Trips" moniker but I'm not sure if people saw him as the "leader" yet....

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 19, 2014 9:23am into GratefulDead
OK, maybe it was briefly considered... Spencer Dryden said in a '68 interview: "We'd like to mix it up a little bit: you know, let's play some of the Dead's material; let's have the Dead play some of ours; let's have Grace sing with them; let's have Pigpen sing with us. Let's have some fun! It doesn't have to be that rigid format." Kantner had a similar idea, too. But it never happened. There are numerous examples of Garcia jamming with the Airplane; several times where Jorma & Jack jammed wi......

[forums]Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 10:57pm into GratefulDead
Their album wasn't a huge seller or FM presence, but the Dead were already underground legends by mid-'67. When they visited NYC for the first time in June '67, they were quite well-known in the local hippie scene and there was a parade in the streets celebrating their arrival! Evidently they were regarded as symbols of the Haight scene and patron saints of hippiedom. http://rchrd.com/Gallery/Sixties/NYC67/index3.html (The guy in front is carrying a white carnation key to the East Village whi......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 8:44pm into GratefulDead
Hmm...a couple browsers on a couple computers worked fine for me, so its a mystery... Must be your quirky Nepalese internet! At any rate, I added "follow by email" and tried to adjust the feed setting a bit - it says that my feed may not be operable with the widest range of feed readers - but it's all gobbledegook to me....

[forums]Re: 67: GD second only to the Airplane in national popularity?
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 8:40pm into GratefulDead
Good article, for 1967. And yes, it's clearly "among SF acid-rock groups"......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 6:27pm into GratefulDead
That's a good question. When you click "subscribe atom," what happens for me is a new window comes up showing the recent posts or comments, with the option to "subscribe to this feed" & add to your Favorites bar. If you're not seeing that, perhaps you have an older browser or need to update something? Don't know what that message means, though......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 18, 2014 6:21pm into GratefulDead
There was never a remote chance that Grace would sing with the GD, and I doubt it was ever even considered. However, there was one show where she, um, "sang" while they jammed, if you want to hear what that was like... https://archive.org/details/gd72-10-09.sbd.vernon.5249.sbeok.shnf The GD & JA were twin bands in a lot of ways. If you're looking at mutual music, try St Stephen vs. Volunteers...it's the same riff......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by c-freedom on Feb 18, 2014 4:00am into GratefulDead
Hey Light into Ashes; I was thinking about all the bands that got exposure on Summer Tour in the late 80's and early 90's warming up for the Dead in those big football stadium shows during the Touch of Grey era. (Natalie Merchant-10,000 Maniacs) Don't know if that was Garcia's call or someone in the organization but many of those individuals/ bands were just getting started. Also some of the guests that jammed with the boys seemed to really take off after playing with the Dead......

[forums]Re: Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 17, 2014 10:38pm into GratefulDead
They were also on side one of Bromberg's "Wanted Dead or Alive."...

[forums]Garcia in the Background
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 17, 2014 6:16pm into GratefulDead
Jerry Garcia spent a lot of time encouraging and helping other musicians, particularly in the early years of the Dead. There are quite a few albums that would not exist or would sound quite different, if not for his support. I’ve been asked to write a post about this, so here is a list of some of the music that Garcia helped create. This shouldn’t be considered a finished piece, just incomplete musings! The first example is Jefferson Airplane’s “Surrealistic Pillow” album, where Garci......

[forums]KPFA Marathon Dead Highlights
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 12, 2014 8:46pm into GratefulDead
Here's the playlist for what David Gans played in the KPFA marathon last weekend - http://cloudsurfing.gdhour.com/kpfa-gd-marathon-2014-playlist-and-credits And the streaming mono audio (which will be up until Feb 22) - https://www.kpfa.org/archive/date/2014/02/08 Aside from the 9/16/89 JGB show, a couple Dead SBDs were played that are not circulating: 4/22/78 Set II [this starts at the end of the 5:00 section] The AUD of this show on the Archive is so excellent, though, it's probably as ......

[forums]AUD vs SBD
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 12, 2014 4:55pm into GratefulDead
Crystal-clear quality. The SBD is a lot more balanced instrumentally than the AUD. On the AUD, Garcia is so up-front it's like standing right in front of his amp; on the SBD, everyone's pretty equal & Weir stands out a lot more. The AUD is good if you want to particularly follow Garcia's playing - lots of little details are less noticeable in the SBD. And the AUD, as usual, does sound a lot more energized. Around 6:30 in the Other One, Lesh starts a jazzy 6/8 riff that he played in practicall......

[forums]Re: 1st July 1973 - complete soundboard
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 11, 2014 12:03pm into GratefulDead
Well, yes, Truckin’>drums>Other One>Wharf Rat>Bobby McGee was on the Taper's Section back in '08....

[forums]Re: 1st July 1973 - complete soundboard
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 10, 2014 10:50pm into GratefulDead
Holy smokes! Set I was available here in a somewhat degraded SBD copy, but this is quite a find. One of my favorite Playin' in the Bands from 1973 - I look forward to seeing if it's just as hypnotic in SBD as in that great AUD....

[forums]Re: Are we jaded with too much content and clarity in our Dead listening ?
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 8, 2014 3:16pm into GratefulDead
I think it's purely the number of shows that are available now. If you've only heard a few '74 shows, each one will be special. When you can access every one on the Archive and compare them, for me it's natural to start thinking, "well, they could've picked a better one" and so on. I'm not sure about your sound quality point - it was different in the '80s, when lots of tapes sounded like mud, but now that almost any show (esp......

[forums]Re: 5/14/74 - Gradual Improvement throughout the Night
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 6, 2014 5:02pm into GratefulDead
The Taping Compendium mentions the AUD too, but it has never been transferred to digital. I would guess it wasn't available to Charlie Miller either, since he didn't use it to patch China Doll. Pat Lee's AUD recording of 5/21/74 was great, so I do hope this surfaces sometime. It would be nice to hear a different-sounding perspective of the show. Check out the newspaper reviews mentioned below for accounts of the crowd....

[forums]Re: Missoulian Music Review of 5-14-74 show
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 6, 2014 1:05pm into GratefulDead
Some random musings... I think their desire to go on hiatus was caused more by the troubles caused by the Wall of Sound, internal crew problems, and the band getting sick of the stadium-type shows and steady expansion (Garcia complained about it vociferously at the time) - not by a more rowdy audience. I guess from the Dead's perspective, the big audience jump had taken place in 1970-71, when lots of kids who weren't really "deadheads" started coming to shows since they liked Casey Jones, Tru......

[forums]Re: Missoulian Music Review of 5-14-74 show
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 5, 2014 4:17pm into GratefulDead
Well, to be specific, Weir told David Gans in 1981: "Right before we knocked off in '74, we got so musically inbred that we were playing some fairly amazing stuff, but almost nobody could hear it or relate to it except us. That's one of the reasons why we knocked off and went out and did solo projects. We were speaking a language known only to us, using a musical vocabulary that was really pretty damned esoteric at some points......

[forums]Alternate Review
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 5, 2014 10:52am into GratefulDead
I decided to type it out in full, for CD-lacking readers: GRATEFUL DEAD, AUDIENCE LACK 'COMMON PURPOSE' by Jack Wendel & Paul Piper Montana Kaimin A very high, concert-starved crowd, prepared to grind themselves into the woodwork, cheered on the Grateful Dead's first appearance in Montana. A musical communion, however, it was not, and for all the excitement that had been generated (via advertising) in anticipation of Missoula's potential rock orgy, it was unfortunate that both the Dead and ......

[forums]Re: Missoulian Music Review of 5-14-74 show
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 5, 2014 9:44am into GratefulDead
The other review in the CD booklet is also interesting - it mentions that the audience was full of beer drinkers who came to the show to boogie... Apparently they were disappointed by the musical variety, slow tunes, and long instrumental passages! But happily, the Dead did finally rock out enough for the audience's pleasure. It brought to mind Weir's later comment that a lot of the Dead's jams in '74 were going over their audience's heads....

[forums]Re: Dave's Picks 9
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 5, 2014 9:30am into GratefulDead
I realize I'm in the minority with my tepid reaction to this show...it has almost unanimously glowing reviews here. Could be I wasn't in the right mood; I just don't hear much fire in this show (especially from Garcia) except for a few short bits. Then again, Lemieux writes that "it's filled with nuances that demand multiple listens;" perhaps they're more subtle than I prefer. He also wrote a rather strange comment in the liner notes that the overall purpose of Dave's Picks is "to put out good ......

[forums]Dave's Picks 9
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 4, 2014 11:59am into GratefulDead
A very laid-back show....Garcia seems half-asleep much of the time. I wouldn't say the jams are anything to rave about; they're on the quiet side. (OK, Dark Star does get loud for a bit!) Oddly, Lemieux says he was considering this show for Dave's Picks vol 1......

[forums]Re: Europe '72 Overdubs
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 1, 2014 5:20pm into GratefulDead
It was discussed here a while ago that the 5/13/77 Goin' Down the Road on the May '77 box was completely replaced by the 6/8/77 GDTRFB that was already on the Winterland '77 box! https://archive.org/post/938099/same-version-different-dates-wtf-is-going-on-here ...

[forums]Re: Europe '72 Overdubs
Posted by light into ashes on Feb 1, 2014 2:03am into GratefulDead
If you'd like to volunteer to compile a list of the known edits & patches, that would be great! I remember you posting new finds now & then and thought you were keeping track....

[forums]Re: Europe '72 Overdubs
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 31, 2014 11:29am into GratefulDead
"Who cares?" Perhaps that's their attitude! But they never give this kind of technical info. Norman could easily have written a page simply stating what overdubs made it onto the box set, but I'm not sure they even considered it. On the other hand, that gives fanatical fans some mysteries to solve... ...

[forums]Re: Europe '72 Overdubs
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 31, 2014 11:18am into GratefulDead
Have you been keeping a list of all the patches on official releases? I think there needs to be a comprehensive list somewhere, because so many releases have little edits or substitutions here & there....

[forums]Re: Europe '72 Overdubs
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 31, 2014 2:35am into GratefulDead
Um, why what? I'm not sure what you're asking about. Remember, I didn't write the essay. I'll try to give a few answers - Why no information on overdubs was in the box set - maybe negligence, maybe because none of the essays in the book were about the album, or maybe it's their usual pattern of not providing technical recording info. Why Norman used some live vocals, some studio vocals - I think this was covered pretty well in the essay......

[forums]Europe '72 Overdubs
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 31, 2014 12:47am into GratefulDead
If any among you were still wondering just how many songs were overdubbed on the Europe '72 album, this post should thoroughly answer all your questions.... http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-europe-72-overdubs-guest-post.html But if it overlooked any dubbing details, speak up! ...

[forums]Garcia in the background...
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 28, 2014 7:19pm into GratefulDead
Garcia once said he was happiest just being a sideman, and that he wasn't comfortable being the 'frontman.' He even said in one '70s interview that the reason he'd written all those songs for the Dead was just because the other guys weren't writing much, so he felt the songwriting burden was on him, but he considered it a chore! "I'm not a songwriter." But he also kept urging the other bandmembers to step up front more. From a 1972 Crawdaddy interview with Weir: "Bob Weir, the youngest of the ......

[forums]Re: A Tale of Two Tours - Europe 72
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 28, 2014 7:00pm into GratefulDead
On the other hand, Garcia complained during the tour, "We haven't been playing enough... The gigs are too far apart." And Weir told Crawdaddy in an interview after the tour, "We'd probably have played better for all our tastes if we had played more and taken less days off to see Europe." So that's two Dead members who disagree with the theory of the shows being better because of all the days off! I'm familiar with the expansion of Playin' during the tour, particularly in the Lyceum run when ......

[forums]Re: A Tale of Two Tours - Europe 72
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 26, 2014 8:10pm into GratefulDead
Garcia did say in '74: "We're playing every other night in a different room. For every gig there's the same series of adjustments, and it doesn't give us a chance to get past a certain point. The first half we're trying to psych out the room, we're trying to understand what's happening acoustically, which is purely mechanics. By the second half we're starting to develop a sound in the room, and that's the first step towards getting off into decent improvisation, which is where you can hear ever......

[forums]Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 26, 2014 4:08pm into GratefulDead
Hmm, I think any resemblance to 'Little Martha' is vague & coincidental. Phil's solos mainly remind me of other Phil solos! There are a few little themes he liked to repeat in '72-73. Beautiful song-like jam at the end, which I couldn't place. Quite frequently in '72, Dark Star or the Other One will end with a "happy" chordal jam that sounds familiar & composed, but I'm not sure any of them actually are......

[forums]Re: A Tale of Two Tours - Europe 72
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 26, 2014 3:51pm into GratefulDead
Wembley was a last-minute choice; they'd been scheduled to play the Rainbow Theatre but it closed in March. They certainly put a lot of preparation into the Wembley shows since they spent two days setting up! (They had not planned on any arenas. They even rigged up parachutes on the ceiling to absorb the echo.) But they also booked the four May nights at the Lyceum so that people could see them in a smaller theater....

[forums]Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 26, 2014 12:29am into GratefulDead
7/17/76 is one '76 version of Comes a Time that Donna sits out, proving that she really wasn't needed for that song... Fond as I am of the 7/26/72 Dark Star, it is a pretty laid-back version and the other summer '72 versions are more exciting. You don't have to turn too many stones in '72 to find greatness, though! Phil's definitely very active in the 8/20/72 Other One. Although I didn't hear the Little Martha quote anywhere....

[forums]Re: The Wit and Wisdom of Owsley
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 24, 2014 11:45pm into GratefulDead
He moved to Australia in the early '80s. The book Conversations with the Dead has an account (p.292) about meeting Bear at Phil's house circa 1984: "He arrived with a map of the world showing the mean temperatures at the height of the last Ice Age and delivered a 90-minute lecture on a thermal cataclysm that he said would begin with a six-week rainstorm and leave the entire Northern Hemisphere uninhabitable......

[forums]Re: Religion in Dead Lyrics
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 24, 2014 9:48pm into GratefulDead
Several members of the Dead were extremely opposed to Victim or the Crime, as the author wrote about: http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/votc.html (More biblical allusions, too!) Their complaint was more lyrical than musical, though. Garcia said it was "hideous" but fun to play... ...

[forums]Re: Morning Dew intro
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 24, 2014 9:37pm into GratefulDead
No telling whether Garcia or the whole band came up with it. It certainly owed nothing to the Tim Rose arrangement that was used by other rock bands at the time. What struck me as more interesting was that Garcia was almost certainly the one who changed the last line of the song to "I guess it doesn't matter anyway..." https://archive.org/post/410824/the-end-of-morning-dew ...

[forums]Re: A Tale of Two Tours - Europe 72
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 24, 2014 9:32pm into GratefulDead
No telling why they liked the May 4 show more. Maybe because there were less police; or the audience was better; or the band was more stoned... ...

[forums]Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 24, 2014 6:36pm into GratefulDead
The late-July shows after 7/18 do suffer a bit compared to the August shows, the remarkable Other One jam on 7/25 aside. I love the 7/26 Dark Star, but I'm biased. The 7/18 Dark Star is definitely on another level, and outstanding for the year. The late-August run is pretty great (generally stronger recordings than July, too). For a couple shows, 8/20 & 8/25, the second sets didn't circulate til recently so they never had a reputation among tapers......

[forums]Re: Religion in Dead Lyrics
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 24, 2014 6:20pm into GratefulDead
I'm not into lyric interpretation at all, so you're on your own there!...

[forums]Re: Religion in Dead Lyrics
Posted by c-freedom on Jan 24, 2014 5:55pm into GratefulDead
Thanks Light into Ashes! That might have taken me a very long time to run across. If you have time can you check this out I got started on this and I wonder if it has any traction. I am not dogmatic on the 23 psalm angle but I think I might be on to something with the civil rights movement and Alabama Getaway. I know the time periods don't jive for Billy Bojangles and the Civil Rights movement but I keep thinking about the civil rights struggle and this song. Alabama Getaway: One of my fa......

[forums]Re: A Tale of Two Tours - Europe 72
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 24, 2014 5:47pm into GratefulDead
Could be the Dead got more laid-back or relaxed in the May shows. On 4/7/72, they may have felt more that they had to prove themselves. On 4/6 they had a four-hour rehearsal in the freezing cold Wembley arena, and spent a lot of time trying to fix the sound in the acoustically terrible building. Weir mentioned after the tour of that first show, "The heater was put on full blast. The PA was tuning into the building......

[forums]Re: How/why did the 'One Jerry tune, then one Bobby tune' evolve/come about?
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 24, 2014 5:09pm into GratefulDead
According to Weir, alternating singers meant that each vocalist got a chance to rest their voice & figure out the next song (can't find the exact quote). I don't think the band ever really discussed this, but they worked it out early on (when it was three lead vocalists). They probably also liked the extra variety within a show, though ultimately it meant that Weir's tunes would get played to death......

[forums]Religion in Dead Lyrics
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 24, 2014 4:49pm into GratefulDead
Since you know about Dodd's Annotated Lyrics site, you've probably seen these, but there are a few thematic essays at the bottom of his page that would apply to your project: http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/miller.html - "Biblical Symbolics and the Grateful Dead," mostly looking at the Dead's relationship to religion http://artsites.ucsc.edu/GDead/agdl/bachmann.html - "Walking in the Fields of Time & Religion," an extensive look at biblical references in Dead lyrics http://artsites.ucsc.......

[forums]The Complete 7/28/73 Encore Set
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 23, 2014 12:20pm into GratefulDead
You all know about the 7/28/73 Watkins Glen encore where the Dead, Allmans, and Band jammed on Not Fade Away, Mountain Jam, Around & Around and Johnny B Goode. However, there was more to the set that never circulated with the Dead's tapes - Garcia played on a few songs with the Band before the big Allmans jams. The full set seems to have emerged only recently on Jim Cooper's audience tape of the show......

[forums]The Wit and Wisdom of Owsley
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 23, 2014 11:26am into GratefulDead
For those who haven't seen it, here's a recent post of Bear's messages in an email exchange back in the '90s: http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2014/01/a-few-words-with-bear-1998-1999.html The main topics are recording techniques, proper diet, art, religion & astrology, and the coming ice age. It's often pretty funny, and perhaps gives you an idea of what it was like to be around him being constantly lectured......

[forums]Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 23, 2014 11:22am into GratefulDead
1967 is my favorite Dead year....

[forums]Re: Another musical list - this time GD from an 'indie' site
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 21, 2014 10:03pm into GratefulDead
I thought it was a well-done article, though of course everyone would have some different picks. (He also links to a funny article he wrote earlier about Dead tapes.) And yes, Hunter/Garcia songs, Weir/Barlow songs, and cover songs do comprise the vast majority of Dead music! But I think what you're asking is whether cover songs outnumber Dead originals. Yes indeed. According to the Dead lyrics site http://whitegum.com/intro.htm they had 186 originals (many of which were never, or hardly ever......

[forums]Re: Led Zeppelin-Albert hall
Posted by c-freedom on Jan 14, 2014 7:35am into GratefulDead
Wow that is some serious writing by 'Light into Ashes' I like his conclusion: Many listeners outgrow Led Zeppelin after becoming Dead fans – once you’ve acclimated to Garcia, it can be hard to admire Page’s guitar prowess and all Plant’s shrieking. I think remarks that Zep are ‘one-dimensional’ are a little off-base though; though they predominantly played hard rock, from the start Zeppelin had more than one style going on, from gentle, intricate acoustic-guitar arrangements to high......

[forums]Re: Led Zeppelin-Albert hall
Posted by merryjerry1 on Jan 14, 2014 2:14am into GratefulDead
From the remarkable Light into Ashes: http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2012/05/dead-vs-led-zeppelin.html...

[forums]Re: Live '73 question
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 10, 2014 8:21pm into GratefulDead
Nope, don't think so. The Dead didn't 16-track any show between Veneta '72 & Oct '74, then 8/13/75, then nothing until the Egypt '78 shows. (Note that, at the time, nothing was released from any of these except Steal Your Face!)...

[forums]Re: The74 'Grateful Dead Movie' sound track , and the shows .
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 4, 2014 7:14pm into GratefulDead
I can certainly see how people at the time could see the band being in decline - less energetic, Garcia moves less, Pigpen gets replaced by Donna, the music gets more mellow, etc. Comparing one of the standard "rock" tunes like JBG or Sat Night between '71 and '74, the drop in energy is very evident. Of course, there were compensating musical gains as well, but those were the kind that might be more appreciated by tape listeners than young showgoers. Yes, I know it's hard to believe that they ......

[forums]Re: The74 'Grateful Dead Movie' sound track , and the shows .
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 4, 2014 7:01pm into GratefulDead
They still have lots of footage from the run. Lemieux has said they could even do "another two-DVD set of the other outtakes from The Grateful Dead Movie. There is still plenty of material, both live musical performances and backstage and interview footage to include." He was asked if they have the complete shows on film: "We did have some material from all 5 nights to select from for the bonus songs, but by no means was the entire run filmed......

[forums]Re: The74 'Grateful Dead Movie' sound track , and the shows .
Posted by light into ashes on Jan 3, 2014 12:33pm into GratefulDead
Wouldn't be surprised. He missed that freedom in later years. Of course, Mickey was quite happy doing outer-space jams as well, and they could still get into these free improvs in '76; but the band as a whole kind of pulled away from that, and I don't think it was entirely because of the "slower, heavier" two-drummer thing....

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